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Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by darren20(m): 3:25pm On Nov 25, 2010
Hi,
Recently there has been serious recession in ireland leading to an IMF/EU Bailout for ireland, and with the new austere budget recently proposed by the Government,Just wondering how Nigerians in ireland are coping,the professionals,businessmen e.t.c though I understand that majority of Nigerians in ireland are taxi drivers,please share your experiences.(Vicjustices,Eire e.t.c over to you !).
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by tunnytox(m): 4:30pm On Nov 25, 2010
I'm subscrbing to this topic.
I left Ireland about 5years ago when the economy was still booming, there are quite a lot of Nigerians living in Ireland who are very hardworking but there are so many who have discovered a new career in procreation. These set of people are not ambitious, they are ridiculously lazy, have no skills and completely useless. Some of these people get as much as 1000 euros a week in child benefits, unemployment and so on. Thank God for some few doctors and nurses who are doing so well to salvage the Nigerian battered image which these set of people continued to damage.I'll like to hear from Ireland residents if their govt are still paying so much to these dregs, sometimes i wonder why Ireland attracted these set of Nigerans when there are more qualified and hardworking Nigerians who could contribute more to the country's devt. I commend those Nigerians that are hardworking and refuses to be trapped in benefit waters
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by oludayo20(m): 5:17pm On Nov 25, 2010
About 2 yrs ago, Irish Govt came hard on immigrant medical doctors mainly Nigerians as regard their Visa Status and the tenure of their training program,this leads them to no other choice than leaving ireland,so majority (90%) of Nigerian MD have since left for canada,usa and united kingdom,Irish govt permits laziness and refuse to honour hardwork.for instance unemployment benefit in ireland uptill now is around 200 euros per month excluding accomodation, medical services,child benefit and all sorts,that's why you'll see a Naija man resigning from work to claim unemployment benefit while going to drive taxi at night,there's no check.Irish themselves do this,assuming a family have 4 children and on unemployment benefit with the child benefit and unemployment benefit and housing benefit at the end of the month may amount to about 2000euros or more,so why the need to work?this and all other mess put the country in the position they're in at the moment. I won't advice any forward looking Nigerian Professional to stay a day in that country.The country economy is based on tax,therefore the more you earn the more tax you pay.Property prices have been devalued and it's still going down,prices of stuffs are extremely high probably the highest in EU.Hope the irish will learn now,but for Nigerians they can adapt to any situation i wish them all the best.
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Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by tunnytox(m): 5:29pm On Nov 25, 2010
@Oludayo
You are spot on with your analysis as far as in know I've never seen a country that reward laziness like Ireland, most right thinking professionals who are not tied down by mortgage has left the sinking ship. Some few month ago a doctor friend of mine left Ireland and move to the UK he's been cursing himself for not moving earlier!
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by oludayo20(m): 5:43pm On Nov 25, 2010
tunnytox:
@Oludayo
You are spot on with your analysis as far as in know I've never seen a country that reward laziness like Ireland, most right thinking professionals who are not tied down by mortgage has left the sinking ship. Some few month ago a doctor friend of mine left Ireland and move to the UK he's been cursing himself for not moving earlier!
I know a naija who bought a property at the peak for 310000 euros (2006/7),the same property is now worth 160,000 euros.it's a tragedy!
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by tunnytox(m): 8:20pm On Nov 25, 2010
I knew many who have 2 to 3 houses on mortgage, they can't even find someone to rent them as the rent is just too high and even with the rent sef they'll still have to top up for them to meet up with mortgage payment.
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by Shinatu: 8:26am On Nov 26, 2010
^^^^^^^^^
E yaaa! that is sad.
Similar to our experience here in Nigeria when the Stock market crashed, many people are still in serious debth.
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Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by oludayo20(m): 3:04pm On Nov 27, 2010
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Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by IVORY2009(m): 10:23pm On Nov 27, 2010
We just hv to keep pray that the EU come to their aid, becos the economy of Ireland is really down.
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by darren20(m): 1:45pm On Dec 19, 2010
embarassed embarassed embarassed Nigerians in ireland,let's know how you're coping.
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by ayomifull(f): 8:33pm On Jan 09, 2011
I am a Nigerian living in Ireland and i must say the ship is sinking really deep and the speed at which it is is not surprising considering how the country rewards people for being utterly useless, lazy and unproductive.
4 years ago wen i was to start work i visited citizen infor center just to know my rights and get any advise that may be useful to me and to my amazement the person i consulted with asked me how i tot i was goin to cope with a full time job on my own with 2 kids as i was goin to be completely on my own, pay house rent, childminding, feeding, medical etc but for my courage and determination i probably would hv gone back home and keep my certs under my pillow. Even friends asked me same questions and some saw me as an but i must say its 4 years now and i have never regretted it for once if anything i am much better in all aspect than most of dem. 'The shoes im wearing i bought them with MY OWN money' and no one at the 'gate' ask me why i travelled to wherever wen coming back to the country from holidays, ive never been refused visa to any country and i live quite comfortably with my kids.
I understand they have their reasons for their generous social welfare system but its been terribly abused by both indegenes and lots of us previledged to live in the country from our various countries. I still dont understand why they didnt simply give us (foreigners) work permit instead of residence permit that has made loads of us completely useless and unfocused. Its so sad and its a shame that people left their countries far far away only to come and depend on govt all their lives.
Well, about coping i feel sorry for some hard working guys who are facing serious difficulties at this very time its quite disheartening. Ppl are loosing their jobs on daily basis and those of us lucky enough to still have our jobs wake up daily wondering if the jobs are still there. People are having their mortgages reppossed and having to join the ever increasing dole queue, something you dont ever wish for.
Those who hv their ways are packing their bags now, more than half of my dr friends already 'landed' in Canada and loads are in the process and this is not just applicable to foreigners even the citizens. Four of my colleagues who are Irish recently left for Canada some are on it. To be realistic the economic situation in Ireland now is better left for imagination and from all indications there is no recovery in sight for now but well who knows just maybe but with the banking crisis and death of construction industry (the cause of the whole mess) the possibility of the end of this situation is not in sight.
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Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by Irelander: 1:00pm On Jan 15, 2011
Well said guys, the problem is that in Ireland nobody saw the downturn coming, everyone was simply leaving beyond their means. People taking two mortgages as they see it as an a good investment opportunity, but the boom time was too short, and for a lot of people its a complete disaster (even the Irish)
I have to say the Irish were very generous and there was no effective control on there social welfare system, the system simply allows people to be lazy
In fact some people(everyone, not just Nigerians) see the social benefit as their career because its pays well not to work and collect money than work and be tax (I mean some people were having 5 to 6 kids just for the sake of benefit!). It was totally surreal
Now that the bubble has boost, it proving hard to leave. It was a wake-up call for everyone (including myself)
I Know for sure Ireland will bounce back because they are good people (there are some that don't like you, but its thesame everywhere)
Problem now though is that they (Irish authority) are using any means they can to get any immigrate out of there country, so if you are a law abiding Nigerian, you have no problem, but all the fraudster that are giving Nigerians bad names BEWARE!
I know of many hard working Nigerians here, but the scammers who are looking to spoil that Nigerian name are innumerous.
worst still, i see some Nigerians who praise this fraudsters or buy from them. Lets be open in our view we shouldn't be complacent with what is not right
it will only have a negative effect on fellow Nigerians and other foreigners
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by Lorcan: 3:48pm On Feb 04, 2011
Some have mention on this that Nigerians are working as Taxi driver. What they don't mention is that the HSE give them the money to buy these licence plate. Again taxpayer money. Yes the Irish are leaving Ireland to go to Canada and Australia and the USA to look for work. No they not going to claim refugee status and seek free housing, free health etc unlike the Nigerians or Africans living in Ireland. Does the name Pamela Izevbekhai ring a bell. How many Nigerian have comitted fraud? Other Europeans are leaving Irish due to the recession in Ireland. But the different is they can live and work in Ireland but can't claim social welfare etc.
Why do you think they had the referendum on citizenship 2003?
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by justwise(m): 4:19pm On Feb 04, 2011
Lorcan:
Some have mention on this that Nigerians are working as Taxi driver. What they don't mention is that the HSE give them the money to buy these licence plate. Again taxpayer money. Yes the Irish are leaving Ireland to go to Canada and Australia and the USA to look for work. No they not going to claim refugee status and seek free housing, free health etc unlike the Nigerians or Africans living in Ireland. Does the name Pamela Izevbekhai ring a bell. How many Nigerian have comitted fraud? Other Europeans are leaving Irish due to the recession in Ireland. But the different is they can live and work in Ireland but can't claim social welfare etc.
Why do you think they had the referendum on citizenship 2003?
Are you saying that Europeans can't claim social welfare in Ireland? Those Nigerians working as tax drivers do pay tax as well, don't 4get that.
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by Lorcan: 5:37pm On Feb 04, 2011
EU citizen can live and work in Ireland. But can't claim social welfare unless they have paid PAYE. Now Nigerian taxi men. Who bought then License Plates? no the Nigerians didn't pay for them. The HSE did. Again Irish taxypayer money Europeans such as Polish etc have to pay PRSI contributions and be working a number of years before they can claim. Most Irish people know that Nigerians claim refugees status then tranfer money to Ireland and then buy cars etc. No Nigerians haven't contrubutied to Irish society. In fact they have milked the system. That is why the last Minister Malcolm McDowell cut housing benefit for refugees etc. Funny how they claim to be refugees and then flying back to Nigeria for holidays etc. At least the Easteren Europeans worked while in Ireland, unlike the Nigerians who sponge of the Irish taxpayers with fake refugee bogus claims etc.
But with the recession in Ireland most Irish companies won't be employing Nigerians. What they do I've been told is when they get CV's they bin them when they see African names etc on C.Vs
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by justwise(m): 5:50pm On Feb 04, 2011
Lorcan:
EU citizen can live and work in Ireland. But can't claim social welfare unless they have paid PAYE. Now Nigerian taxi men. Who bought then License Plates? no the Nigerians didn't pay for them. The HSE did. Again Irish taxypayer money Europeans such as Polish etc have to pay PRSI contributions and be working a number of years before they can claim. Most Irish people know that Nigerians claim refugees status then tranfer money to Ireland and then buy cars etc. No Nigerians haven't contrubutied to Irish society. In fact they have milked the system. That is why the last Minister Malcolm McDowell cut housing benefit for refugees etc. Funny how they claim to be refugees and then flying back to Nigeria for holidays etc. At least the Easteren Europeans worked while in Ireland, unlike the Nigerians who sponge of the Irish taxpayers with fake refugee bogus claims etc.
But with the recession in Ireland most Irish companies won't be employing Nigerians. What they do I've been told is when they get CV's they bin them when they see African names etc on C.Vs
Most of the things u said here are just out of anger and fustration, i don't see how a Nigerian can claim refugee in Ireland while there is no war or natural disaster in Nigeria.Nigerians are not entitled to refugee status,(give me a source to support your claim) Yes there maybe some Nigerians claiming benefit, but u don't have to blame them, Many Nigerians work and pay into the system, if they claim benefit legitimately then there is nothing wrong with that. From what u said there, it means that EU citizens do claim as well?
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by Lorcan: 8:37pm On Feb 04, 2011
Nigerian do claim refugee status in Ireland.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fury-over-pound8m-bribe-to-deport-nigerians-335369.html
http://www.immigrationcontrol.org/portlaoise.html
Two local TD running for election have told me they plan to tighten immigration law for Non EU citizens. They also said that:
1) if an migrants is living in the state and commits a crime they will be deported
2) Raise the citizenship to ten years to get citizenship, during that time if the migrants breaks the law within that time deportation
3) Cut their housing benefits etc and save the tax payers money.
Funny how you have never once mention your fellow citizen Pamela Izevbekhai who has cost the Irish taxpayer millions in legal aid with her so called bogus stories. Or the Nigerians caught crossing the water to the UK claiming welfare there also.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/the-welfare-cheaters-who-tried-to-beat-the-system-62263.html
Nigerians are the largest tuberculosis group amongst the African-born. Immigrants arrive Ireland compulsory testing
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by justwise(m): 8:48pm On Feb 04, 2011
Lorcan:
Nigerian do claim refugee status in Ireland.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fury-over-pound8m-bribe-to-deport-nigerians-335369.html http://www.immigrationcontrol.org/portlaoise.html Two local TD running for election have told me they plan to tighten immigration law for Non EU citizens. They also said that: 1) if an migrants is living in the state and commits a crime they will be deported
2) Raise the citizenship to ten years to get citizenship, during that time if the migrants breaks the law within that time deportation
3) Cut their housing benefits etc and save the tax payers money. Funny how you have never once mention your fellow citizen Pamela Izevbekhai who has cost the Irish taxpayer millions in legal aid with her so called bogus stories. Or the Nigerians caught crossing the water to the UK claiming welfare there also. http://www.independent.ie/national-news/the-welfare-cheaters-who-tried-to-beat-the-system-62263.html
Nigerians are the largest tuberculosis group amongst the African-born. Immigrants arrive Ireland compulsory testing
Yes some of those stories are really sad ones, i don't support anybody who cheats the system, but that doesn't mean that all Nigerians living in Ireland are like that. You don't need to insult all Nigerians cos of the sin of afew. Those who tried to claim asylum there were refused, b4 they found other meand of staying in the country
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by Nobody: 9:31pm On Feb 04, 2011
seriously, i have never in my life met an irish person who couldnt speak good english?
irelander and lorcan, where are you really from.
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by euromilion: 9:26am On Feb 05, 2011
@Lorcan.
I can see you that you are very myopic and little minded,I am an Irish as you,so are many africans living here.For your information I work with HSE and I can assure you that every african driving a taxi here worked hard to buy their taxi's,HSE has never, I repeat HAS Never bought any Taxi plate and will never purchase for anybody a plate or a taxi.
I would be glad to see you post any evidence to your claim here about HSE and taxi plate.
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by xxcarolxx(f): 9:22pm On Feb 05, 2011
Lorcan, sounds like a 9ja guy, he is not irish,
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by xxcarolxx(f): 9:53pm On Feb 05, 2011
The social is cracking down of benefit cheats, You have to sign on in person, once a month, also they will be introducing social cards with your photo i.d, so you cannot claim to be some-one else, You cannot survive on social welfare, yes the people who cheat the system can survive, as they are couples who live together, but claim they don't, this is a major problem, which needs to be cracked down on,
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by Irelander: 3:53am On Feb 06, 2011
@ Lorcan,
your statements above are totally biased and untrue !
You cant just generalise, it is just like saying all Irish, Australians etc are racist (which is false). Even if there are minorities that are law abiding, you should be sensitive to that. Many Irish claim social benefits left right and centre (there are many that live in America and have their benefits posted to them every week), Likewise other nationals,Eastern Europeans,Spanish,Italians etc who claims benefits both in Ireland and in their own country , so why are you singling out Nigerians? Many Nigerian taxi drivers i know bought their own licences for over 7,000Eur and they pay their taxes, so what are you talking about? There are many Nigerians that have worked and contributed to the Irish economy and your comments above is very insulting to them
Where a system is weak, people will always find a way to take advantage of it, its human nature not an issue of race and nationality
Its clear that you are anti-Nigerian, from all the negative reports you' ve collated above, you should have your head examined, psycho !
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Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by xxcarolxx(f): 4:55pm On Feb 06, 2011
Irelander, You cannot have benefits posted to you if you live in the states, Where did you get that info from?
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by Irelander: 7:32pm On Feb 06, 2011
They get somebody to collect it for them and deposit it in their bank account, its happening. People are reporting this cases now, the amount of reported social welfare fraud cases has increased over the past years
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by xxcarolxx(f): 7:36pm On Feb 06, 2011
You cannot collect for someone else, you have to sign on once a month at the dole office,
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Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by abigail101: 11:38pm On Mar 09, 2011
Hi, I would just like to ask about the rumours of severe racism in ireland (specifically dublin). I plan on doing my masters there and then maybe a short internship if possible.
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by xxcarolxx(f): 7:57pm On Mar 10, 2011
@ abigail, Ireland is quite a friendly country, But you will have a few small mined bigots like every country,
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by overblood: 5:15pm On Jul 19, 2011
This is quite an old thread but I'll add to it anyways. Nigerians do have a bad reputation in Ireland due to the usual sight of a fat African women walking through town with 6 kids behind her, and the average Irish citizen knows 100% that she is using Irish tax money to buy fashionable clothes for herself. We know she is milking the system and has nothing to run from at home in Nigeria.
The stories in the news papers like that Pamela Izevbekhai woman really drive the issue home. Thankfully Pamela was put on a plane and flown back to Nigeria, but it does make everybody wonder if those other Africans you see walking down the street are also scamming our country. I suppose it is a state of paranoia for some, because I know there are also hard working Nigerians. The hard working guys need some positive publicity though! You guys need to make some business group and donate something to a school, I'm imagining a nice headline "The Irish Society of Law Abiding Nigerian Businessmen donate a new computer to X School in Dublin"
But guys you know you have a bad reputation even as far away as Kenya. I lived in Kenya for a year and wherever there was a counterfeit money bust a Nigerian or Congolese was involved.
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Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by justwise(m): 6:11pm On Jul 19, 2011
overblood:
This is quite an old thread but I'll add to it anyways. Nigerians do have a bad reputation in Ireland due to the usual sight of a fat African women walking through town with 6 kids behind her, and the average Irish citizen knows 100% that she is using Irish tax money to buy fashionable clothes for herself. We know she is milking the system and has nothing to run from at home in Nigeria. The stories in the news papers like that Pamela Izevbekhai woman really drive the issue home. Thankfully Pamela was put on a plane and flown back to Nigeria, but it does make everybody wonder if those other Africans you see walking down the street are also scamming our country. I suppose it is a state of paranoia for some, because I know there are also hard working Nigerians. The hard working guys need some positive publicity though! You guys need to make some business group and donate something to a school, I'm imagining a nice headline "The Irish Society of Law Abiding Nigerian Businessmen donate a new computer to X School in Dublin"But guys you know you have a bad reputation even as far away as Kenya. I lived in Kenya for a year and wherever there was a counterfeit money bust a Nigerian or Congolese was involved.
S[/b]ome [b]Nigerians and NOT all Nigerians. Why should Nigerians donate anything to any school in Dublin? Nigerians are among those Irish 'tax payers' as well.
Re: Nigerians In Ireland,how are you Coping With The Recession And The Eu Bailout? by xxcarolxx(f): 7:15pm On Jul 19, 2011
overblood:
This is quite an old thread but I'll add to it anyways. Nigerians do have a bad reputation in Ireland due to the usual sight of a fat African women walking through town with 6 kids behind her, and the average Irish citizen knows 100% that she is using Irish tax money to buy fashionable clothes for herself. We know she is milking the system and has nothing to run from at home in Nigeria.
The stories in the news papers like that Pamela Izevbekhai woman really drive the issue home. Thankfully Pamela was put on a plane and flown back to Nigeria, but it does make everybody wonder if those other Africans you see walking down the street are also scamming our country. I suppose it is a state of paranoia for some, because I know there are also hard working Nigerians. The hard working guys need some positive publicity though! You guys need to make some business group and donate something to a school, I'm imagining a nice headline "The Irish Society of Law Abiding Nigerian Businessmen donate a new computer to X School in Dublin"
But guys you know you have a bad reputation even as far away as Kenya. I lived in Kenya for a year and wherever there was a counterfeit money bust a Nigerian or Congolese was involved.
Think that is totally uncalled for. The Irish and the polish also milk the welfare. Social is cracking down on those who abuse the system,
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